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March 29, 2010 // 12:47 pm - Today infamous PS3 hacker GeoHot has blogged that users should not update their PS3 entertainment systems to PS3 Firmware v3.21 when it is released this Thursday as it will disable the OtherOS functionality, and as incentive not to update he has promised the very community he isn't sharing details on how to dump lv2 with that he will work on a solution which could include PS3 Custom Firmware.

To quote: "A note to people interested in the exploit and retaining OtherOS support, DO NOT UPDATE. When 3.21 comes out, I will look into a safe way of updating to retain OtherOS support, perhaps something like Hellcat's Recovery Flasher. I never intended to touch CFW, but if that's how you want to play...

Two things, some people seem to think CFW will enable some sort of piracy. It won't. It'll just be a custom version of 3.21 that doesn't lose OtherOS support. Hacking isn't about getting what you didn't pay for, it's about making sure you do get what you did.

And this is about more than this feature right now. It's about whether these companies have the right to take away advertised features from a product you purchased. Imagine if an exploit were found in Safari on the iPhone, but instead of fixing it, Apple decides to pull web browsing altogether. Legally, they may be within their right to do so, but we have to show them it's the wrong move for the future of the product and the company.

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support.

My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim (not for technical reasons; I believe it only existed in the first place to promote the Cell for IBM) The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? Not like anything else has (or probably will be) done on the PS3.

Now you go and remove a feature that people expected to be included with the expensive device they purchased, citing "security concerns". What security concerns? It's not like the exploit can be run even close to without the users knowledge.

You have to open the thing up. How could this harm users? Your blog post doesn't list positive reasons for upgrading like I think most users expect. Instead it lists things you will lose if you don't upgrade. Seriously?

The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout it's life cycle. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field."

Here is to hoping GeoHot releases a PlayStation 3 solution in a timely manner, as unfortunately the entire PS3 (and Linux) scene is left waiting on him at the moment.

GeoHot: Don't Update to 3.21, Promises PS3 Custom Firmware

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#77 - rajkosladic - March 30, 2010 // 10:11 pm
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its going to get very, very interesting now...

#76 - Arnie Pie - March 30, 2010 // 10:07 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by twitch View Post
Its not that it won't in the future but more that he won't make CFW with that function built in it, but that doesn't say that someone else will.

If he manages to do anything related to CFW, then I would expect that it requires the current glitch hardware/exploit to gain control over the HV.

He's got zero chance at creating a signed/encrypted update file for use by most people out there - as the encryption keys are unknown (they're not even present in the PS3 - only decryption keys are there).

#75 - Raze1988 - March 30, 2010 // 9:37 pm
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All around the net people are saying the whole story is Geohot's fault. At first they cheered, now they crawl up Sony's anus.

The only thing to hold against him, is his egoism and not sharing certain things with the devs.

#74 - jabberosx - March 30, 2010 // 8:58 pm
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In all honesty. When I thought about WHAT i would do with my PS3 if it was hacked.. ? The only answer comes to mind. ISO loader! BUT.. If you really think about it. I don't buy all that many games. I think Renting is a BIG cost effective option for playing on the PS3. Buy only those games, which you would go back and play more than 2 time ..

So then, What does hacking really mean for me as a "Hacked PS3" ? OtherOS support definitely. As I am currently using a dedicated computer with my TV. But specifically Hardware3d access for LINUX in OtherOS. That would finally make the Linux portion of PS3 useful. And you can get homebrew on there. Voila.

But thats me personally. So I will give Geo his couple of weeks to mayyyybe a month. To see if he can retain the OtherOS. Else I'll upgrade. End of the day. Its the people you play with online that make it fun. And I'd rather be playing with them than sitting around mumbling.. CFW CFW CFW.. ah my precious...

#73 - bigblockchev - March 30, 2010 // 8:48 pm
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I see a guy who finally made progress on the PS3, progress that actually caused Sony to completely revert their stance on the OtherOS option. Sony promised they would never, yes they used the word "never", release a firmware update that would remove the OtherOS option from pre-slim units. Then one month later they are removing it.

Am I the only one who thinks this must be a huge hole and a great chance to not update and actually gain access to the hardware of the system?

I am unsure of your doubts folks, the PS3 encryption is going to slow GeoHot for the rest of this endeavour but we will get there. 2 months is a bit ultra-fast for this kind of work. I'm already assuming no updates for my 60GB and a workable hack in more likely 6 months.

Which is why I have upgraded the HD to 500gb, downloaded everything I'll ever want and I'll buy a slim PS3 in the next 2 months to offset my withdrawal symptoms for new games, demos and videos.

It certainly is impossible for some of us to give up on our $800 purchases and very depressing to not update if unprepared. 48 hours to go to prep your systems, there is still time.

Good luck to all.

#72 - vfxraven19 - March 30, 2010 // 7:46 pm
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I'm all in for it to preserve OtherOS, so hopefully a custom firmware of sorts will appear... not to promote/endorse piracy for PS3 that is, buy your games! Support the industry.

#71 - twitch - March 30, 2010 // 7:07 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by dinzy View Post
Can someone explain how a modded 3.21 firmware could be run on the PS3 and not lead to some sort of piracy. After all wouldn't it be unsigned code?

Its not that it won't in the future but more that he won't make CFW with that function built in it, but that doesn't say that someone else will.

#70 - dinzy - March 30, 2010 // 7:00 pm
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Can someone explain how a modded 3.21 firmware could be run on the PS3 and not lead to some sort of piracy. After all wouldn't it be unsigned code?

#69 - saviour07 - March 30, 2010 // 5:48 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by PS3 News View Post
I was going to link you to it, but I now see it's your own thread.

Anyway, for those who want to read it saviour07 has posted the full TOS here:

Lol right after i posted requesting the TOS i thought i might as well just post it instead! So hopefully anymore legal talk can be refered to there now

Back on topic: I agree that it could be worth waiting for some sort of work around which would allow an update which retains OtherOS functionality AND online play, because I myself want the PS3 open for homebrew, backups, pirated games (I'm not too bothered about the moral implications that others may have about that) but I also want to play online.

So it's necessary to be realistic in any pro's or con's that are weighed up:

Pro's... well there's only one really, the OtherOS functionality remaining intact in a 3.21 update which will allow users to keep their PS3's ready for some sort of future hack through linux and allow online play.

Con's... waiting for an unforseen amount of time for something which may or may not be possible, resulting in impatient people updating but sacrificing possible exploitation and cautious people not updating but sacrificing online play/future game releases.

I'm err'ing on waiting it out, however only if I find out that GeoHot is willing to share his finding with other dev's so I can feel a little bit better in the knowledge that there is a greater possibility for something to be done i.e. CFW allowing OtherOS and PSN access.

If he remains stubborn/silent for what I perceive as too long tho, then I'm willing to update to continue with online play and payout for an OtherOS enabled PS3 once a viable hack is found.

#68 - z3r06rav - March 30, 2010 // 5:26 pm
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remember every firmware has its flaw and to recognize them is to learn each thing sony did to prevent the exploit in each update then think around the box.

but when sony gets mad and bans you for doing it then its on whines the time a hacker gets even with cracking the sony backdoors and time to put hackers/crackers together and not online without privately chatting info on new firmware flaws so sony wont jump to it and fix it one thing is to make up your own script flaw and publish it to sony causing them to make a new flaw so they are creating the exploitable flaws in the firmware and