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224w ago - Today JoyStiq (linked above) speculates that based on both a NeoGAF Tip by Mr_Brit and a Digital Foundry report Sony may be planning to remotely disable JailBroken PS3 consoles essentially banning them from PSN.

To quote: "Even if you've never signed up for a PSN account, your console will communicate with Sony servers every time it boots up.

That initial load process is used to upload error logs, download updates to the "What's New" module, and a list of recently-run applications, including any unauthorized backup manager software.

Sony has yet to ban any consoles for taking advantage of the jailbreak, but the terms and conditions of the PlayStation Network make it clear that Sony has the authority to carry them out.

Thanks to the system's constant self-reporting feature, "the company even has the means to irrevocably disable your console should it so wish," rendering affected PS3 consoles unusable, online and off. But will Sony ever use such a drastic measure? And if so, how will the hacker scene retaliate?"

From NeoGAF, to quote: "On boot the system contacts the server and uploads the play list etc. this list alone is enough to get anyone that goes online banned as it shows the bootmanger etc. has been running. Here is the list and what they do, I port sniffed this a while ago before I went online with a retail unit >.> because I am not stupid hehe.

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Almost all connections cannot just be port blocked, the port will continue to increment until it connects, you have to block the entire domains. Also a big point is that ALL computers on your network need to have these blocked not just the PS3's MAC because if you are running a proxy for example to get patches, the computer you proxy to will just allow the connections right out to the open unless all local IPs are blocked from these sites as well.

Surprising absolutely noone it looks like Sony are detecting homebrew applications meaning that everyone who went on PSN with a jailbroken console can expect to be banned eventually. This is definitely not the only way that Sony can detect jailbroken systems so we'll never truly ever know if it's going to be safe to go online. That ban may come tommorow or it may come in 6 months time but it will almost certainly eventually come."


Rumor: Sony to Remotely Disable JailBroken PS3s, PSN Bans?

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#22 - kunit1 - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by Neo Cyrus View Post
That's if they somehow manage to drag someone into a case that deep, which won't happen. I do own the discs and if someone doesn't they can just say their original got destroyed/lost. That's the main purpose of a backup... to be a backup.

True. I am just going to disconnect my PS3 for now and wait till everything settles down and it becomes clear what Sony is planning to do. I just feel bad for being lazy and not disconnecting my PS3 from the internet when I installed the jailbreak

Sure hope Sony didn't start flagging PS3s yet.

#21 - Neo Cyrus - 224w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by kunit1 View Post
MS started disabling offline console functionality plus xbox live access. Why do you think the hackers started developing anti-cripple methods and tools for the xbox 360.
I didn't know that. MS actually got away with this? Wow, it's already too late.
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Good luck with the "back up" defense in court, that doesn't hold up anymore. The only way you can say that is if you backed up the game from a disk you own, and you didn't need to circumvent any copyright protection.

That's if they somehow manage to drag someone into a case that deep, which won't happen. I do own the discs and if someone doesn't they can just say their original got destroyed/lost. That's the main purpose of a backup... to be a backup.

#20 - Jes03 - 224w ago
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So Sony can disable my console without my permission?

Are they are aware that in many countries that, regardless of any licence agreement, the deliberate act of disabling computer hardware through the use of software is legally deemed as hacking and therefore unlawful.

EXACTLY. As soon as I handed over the money it became MY console and $ony cannot do anything to it without my knowledge.
If they cripple it then they will be paying for a new console to me. Or expect a huge lawsuit from a lot of pissed off people.

#19 - lazybuntu - 224w ago
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Sounds like a lot of FUD. Disable your internet connection on the PS3 to be safe if you want, but this sounds like a load of crap to me.

#18 - kunit1 - 224w ago
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Calm down it was a typo. MS started disabling offline console functionality plus xbox live access. Why do you think the hackers started developing anti-cripple methods and tools for the xbox 360.

Good luck with the "back up" defense in court, that doesn't hold up anymore. The only way you can say that is if you backed up the game from a disk you own, and you didn't need to circumvent any copyright protection.

#17 - inginear - 224w ago
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the first post says that sony can disable the functionality of the ps3 online and offline. it is possible to remotely disable hardware, especially if you built/developed the hardware. sony could release a "virus" that will essentially do a "rm -rf" for all ps3s reported to have been used for piracy.

#16 - Neo Cyrus - 224w ago
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So even after I pointed out to you that it does say that, instead of reading it you just come back and say "no it doesn't say that"? What the hell is wrong with you?

They won't remotely disabled the hardware because they value their lives, but if they're capable of doing so they will say so to scare people.

#15 - barrybarryk - 224w ago
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It doesn't say anything about disabling hardware or bricking consoles it only mentions disabling PSN access which we all saw coming.

Even thinking they can remotely disable the hardware is stupid.

#14 - Neo Cyrus - 224w ago
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Precisely. The line needs to be drawn, when I pay for and own an item, it is mine and no company should be able to weasel their way into have the power to essentially rob me of the possession.

But as you said they're aiming to eventually get the power to do that unless there is some serious outrage against it, they will do it and sooner or later it will just be accepted. We can't let it reach that point.
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Flawed analogy, car companies are not losing anything when you overspeed. Hence, they don't care if it's illegal or not. On the otherhand, sony losses money when people pirate so they try to scare potential pirates away and try to get the people with disabled ps3s to buy new ones.

Nobody is going to fight back, look at the xbox 360 scene MS has been banning/crippling consoles for over 3 years now and no body fought back. If you fight back you will be counter sued for piracy especially if you use the PS3 and evidance.

On to the point. Your comparison is the flawed one, 360s were banned from Xbox Live, not entirely disabled.

Furthermore they'd have to prove it was piracy, I back up my games and doing so is perfectly legal. It's much faster having my games load through my hard drive than a BD, not to mention far more convenient.

#13 - kunit1 - 224w ago
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Flawed analogy, car companies are not losing anything when you overspeed. Hence, they don't care if it's illegal or not. On the otherhand, sony losses money when people pirate so they try to scare potential pirates away and try to get the people with disabled ps3s to buy new ones.

Nobody is going to fight back, look at the xbox 360 scene MS has been banning/crippling consoles for over 3 years now and no body fought back. If you fight back you will be counter sued for piracy especially if you use the PS3 and evidance.