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214w ago - Today Myce.com (linked above) interviewed PS3 hacker KaKaRoToKS, who states that a PS3 Firmware 3.60 solution is indeed coming after reports and videos of a 3.60 JailBreak running code circulated last week.

Below is the the KaKaRoToKS interview in full, to quote:

What are your thoughts on the recent PS3 3.60 firmware cracking video that was uploaded and removed over the course of a day last week? Many dubbed it fake and said it was a debug PS3, but when we chatted with the guy who uploaded it he defended it as real and said it was a retail unit.

I’ve seen the videos, and I also talked to the people who did it. Whether it’s fake or not, I cannot tell as I have not been authorized by the authors to divulge what they did. All I can say is that they said they would never release it, so whether it’s fake or not has no importance, since in the end no one will have access to it.

However, as I’ve said to a few people on Twitter, the hack that was used on 3.55 and lower was unique and Sony fixed it. So, that’s finished and we can’t use that method anymore, but it doesn’t mean that there are no other methods to jailbreak. A solution for 3.60+ will be available soon, so no worries — people just need to be patient.

Most people associate “hacking” with “piracy.” You admit to taking steps to lock out piracy. Is that getting lost in the shuffle here? People assume “hacking” automatically means “pirating.” It seems like piracy is often a “necessary evil” that comes along with the process but then overtakes any other points.

There are four words that people keep confusing: “hacker,” “cracker,” “pirate” and “cheater.” But it’s not the same thing at all.

A hacker is basically someone who “innovates and finds solutions to a problem.” A cracker is someone who uses his skills to steal, scam or harm others. A pirate is someone who just steals copyrighted works without paying for it. And a cheater is someone who uses other’s skills in order to cheat in games and thinks he’s awesome for clicking on a button.

Yes, people unfortunately associate a hacker with a pirate, but it’s not the case at all. In my case for example, I’ve never pirated a PS3 game. I have bought over 150 games for my PS3 in the last 3 years, and I don’t think any of the hackers in the scene want piracy to happen. We all just want to find challenges and bring back the freedom that we are meant to have on our machines.

Piracy isn’t a “necessary evil.” It’s not necessary at all. The only reason piracy happened on the ps3 is because Sony were arrogant and they thought no one could get inside the PS3. But once you install a homebrew application, it has full access to everything. There is no protection inside the PS3 to prevent piracy. The only protection they have is to prevent you from installing a “non-authorized” application. If they secured the PS3 internally, piracy would probably never have happened because no one skilled enough to hack the PS3 would spend time on it!

We take steps to avoid piracy, but in the end, there’s always someone who will implement “backups support”, which is legitimate in many countries but unfortunately used for piracy too.

What has been the public’s reaction to your recent work on cracking the PS3’s firmware? Is it equal amounts scorn and appreciation? Are you getting hate mail from fanboys?

I do get/see hate mail, but it’s quite minimal. There was a huge reaction of appreciation and happiness. Recently though I’m seeing a lot of “stupidity” and “annoyance” : people asking everyday about a 3.60 CFW even though I’ve said 1,000 times that I’m not working on that.

Do you think GeoHot/FailOverflow’s PS3 jailbreaking will have an industry-wide impact come the next round of game consoles? If so, how? Any predictions on how Sony might try to block hacking in the future?

Yes, I think it will. For one, I think that the industry will try harder to make the consoles more secure. Sony will probably try to hire a real security expert, because as we’ve seen from Fail0verflow’s analysis the PS3 was not secure at all. It almost looks like they hired 5-year-olds to build their security! The Cell processor’s architecture is secure however, since IBM designed it, but in terms of implementation of security by Sony, they completely failed.

Honestly, the only reason the PS3 wasn’t hacked earlier is because it supported Linux from the start. Because of how arrogant Sony was – boasting about their unbreakable security – a lot of hackers abandoned it even before trying.

The one effect I’m looking forward to from the Geohot lawsuit is that I believe it will bring attention to the hacking community from the lawmakers in the U.S. and that jailbreaking a game console will be made legal — just like what happened with the iPhone.

Do you believe it’s futile at this point for Sony to combat the hacking?

Yes, it’s futile. Their code is full of bugs, and they can’t fix it fast enough. We have full access to the machines and we will keep creating solutions to whatever they come up with. However, it is understandable that they want to protect their investment and they will of course continue to fight.

I think the only solution for them to close this whole issue is if they bring back Linux support with full hardware access and add a new protection against piracy inside the PS3 so even if a homebrew application is installed it wouldn’t be allowed to do piracy. Then, they will have secured their system, because we’d have no more reason to try to hack it and all the hackers would simply stop.

Considering their reaction to the scene (suing geohot, grafchokolo and others, sending threats to every hacker and trying to enforce the message ‘if you touch your own property, we’ll make your life hell’, they got a lot of people pissed at their scare tactics. I think some people will try to get revenge anyways, so maybe it’s too late for them.

We already saw one hacker who was offered a job by SCEA (Ed: Android hacker Koushik Dutta) and refused it because of their reaction to the community, and a lot of people are now boycotting Sony. They are already getting payback thanks to their poor community skills. Of course they’ll just blame the loss of sales on piracy, but they should really think of the fact that most of their losses will not be because of piracy but a reaction to their tactics.

How did you feel when your name was listed in a legal motion by Sony for a Twitter subpoena?

Well, I must say it wasn’t a happy feeling. I was quite pissed at Sony for trying to get information on me knowing quite well that they already know all there is to know.

All information about me – my name, email address, where I live and what my job is – are well known already, so I saw no point in them doing that. And considering that all my tweets are public, it makes no sense.

What pissed me off the most was about the Paypal subpoena, because that contains more personal information: credit card information, bank accounts, addresses, etc. But not for me; it was about getting that information from anyone I have had contact with through Paypal. I use Paypal for personal transactions, with friends and family, and having that kind of information sent to Sony simply because they want to screw with us is completely unacceptable. It violates my basic privacy rights as well as the rights of many unrelated people.

Seeing that got me a bit scared of course, but I’d say that mostly it got me very angry. I was thankful to see the judge quash their subpoena. I do not agree to my personal information, as well as the personal information of my friends, to be made available to a corporation like Sony.

Would the allure of hacking games consoles disappear if, as you predict, hacking them becomes legal under the DMCA? Or do you believe that would lead to more interest in hacking them?

I don’t think it would change anything. On the contrary, it might give the opportunity to those who are scared of Sony to actually step up and provide their help.

I don’t think anyone is hacking the games consoles because it’s supposedly illegal under the DMCA. It’s not about going against the system, or revolting. It’s more about freedom and about tinkering with our property– learning and gaining knowledge.


PS3 Hacker KaKaRoToKS Interviewed, Says 3.60 Solution Coming

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#361 - Bartholomy - 169w ago
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I know what you do, and your spirit, bro. The problem is not your point of view, or mine. Sony is japanese. Japanese looks ps3 hackers/devs as trash who deserve to be digged, deep. Doesn't matter if your work will lead to double Sony's income. Doesn't matter if your work will stop piracy.

Doesn't matter if your work will stop an abuse of some teams. For Sony's eyes, you're using THEIR product and THEIR software (every level of them) and for this reasons, if you release something, you will be sued and called to a particular tribunal, where a funny judge will take care of ruin your life worst than if you was a drug pusher. Sony don't say thanks, neither if you save the CEO's life. You touched THEIR product, you will pay.

It's the truth, bro. And you know i'm right.

#360 - ValoX - 169w ago
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Thanks for the news.

#359 - cfwprophet - 169w ago
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The only thing what i can say: If sony want to sue some one of us im sure they dono need the help of this so called dev god's. From my point of view they would have more reasons to sue DRM teams then normal scene guys like us.

We don't sell sonys games hacked and pressed on a debug disk with there debug key. We dono use and sell a dongle with sonys drm stuff to prevent our work. We're also not releated to any release of sonys keys or what ever. We using tools, code and stuff others have written and released and this also includes work of this dev's. So what they want to do with us ?

We're not against sony, we're not against the scene, we're not against other dev's. We're against team's and dev's using sonys sys to make money with it. We're against dev's preventing those teams.

So we're not the BAD guys which upset sony. On special case WE help sony to stop those guys making money with sonys work. If you ask me sony have more reasons to sue those both teams and every dev of the scene involved into it then to sue guys like me or others.

And also we have not found something new that we push now. The theory of our ongoing work is based on them. They put the con into debugger mode to be able to let you play new games and sell this for a lot of money.

If those teams never started to sell there dongles we wouldn't never started to do the work we now do. So if some one of thoes dev's want to sue some one they should start and sue themself.

#358 - kira30 - 169w ago
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exactly, they need to relax a little, like you said "it's only video games".

#357 - Bartholomy - 169w ago
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You don't understand those devs, elser1, because:

A You're not a loser nerd who need youpo for take a look to a girl
B You lost somewhere your teenager brain, the same one who make you feel a god when you complete a game on HARD MODE (I felt to be a god when i finally got my Bachelor, big difference)
C As much you're a dev, willing to help, elite group will start to threat you, with something like : "well done, you found a great exploit" "Hehe thanks. I think i'll publish it on ps3news and other major forums" "No, you don't understand how things works. You will keep it for yourself, thanks for share" "I beg your pardon? I'll release it in an hour"

"You still don't understand. We will send an email with your name and location to Sony and your life will be gone, if you try. Beware, no joke. You will do like us. Enjoy your work, play online with every game. Share it with your faithful friends. But again, if something goes leaked, we will be the first to help Sony to sue ya".

This is the real story. Kinda crap, right?

Thanks cfwprophet and nabnab, to ignore them.

#356 - kreus - 169w ago
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oh I thought they found a way to decrypt the eboot and unsign. That way it would be possible to reverse engineer. Then all hope is lost hehe

Congrats Cfwprophet and nabnab, I know youre trying hard to make a better place for the scene.

#355 - cfwprophet - 169w ago
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We know how it works and have explained a lot of times. The dongle puts your con into debugger mode. In this special mode you can debug games and thats what they do. They use the system embended debugger to let you play those games.

They take the official game selfs from disk and dump out the elf via the sdk, then re-encrypt them as debug selfs and on a special way thats it.

But it takes a bit more work to get this for free for every one done. The keys have nothing to do with it. They use drm just to hide and to be able to milk us all a bit longer till a free version is done.

#354 - kreus - 169w ago
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And if someone finds how it works, it should be possible of doing the same thing comparing the eboots without the keys with the ones with keys.

In cryptography, a timing attack is a side channel attack in which the attacker attempts to compromise a cryptosystem by analyzing the time taken to execute cryptographic algorithms. Every logical operation in a computer takes time to execute, and the time can differ based on the input; with precise measurements of the time for each operation, an attacker can work backwards to the input.

#353 - elser1 - 169w ago
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its a shame they all think its such a big deal.. its only video games not cure for cancer.. sure it would be great and mean a lot to alot of us but in reality its not that big of a deal, but the way they act gives them a feeling of power i guess.. i don't really understand such behavior, myself i get most enjoyment out of trying to help others..

i wish i bought an xbox when i had the spare cash.. but i love psn too much so ill stick to my ps3 and grin and bare it.. LOL

#352 - kreus - 169w ago
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sorry if it sounds stupid, but we seem to already have the equation ecds uses, cant we extrapolate the variables using multiples ps3 on ofw 4.00 and HFW 4.00?

For what i saw the ECDS encryption only works fine if there is only one or a few machines with the same key. With multiple ps3's its possible to extrapolate, and the higher the number the easier it is.