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April 9, 2010 // 4:16 pm - Despite some refunds being granted, today Sony UK has officially apologized for the OtherOS removal in the recently released PS3 Firmware 3.21 update citing PS3 piracy concerns as the underlying factor.

To quote from Sony's official statement to Thinq.co.uk (linked above):

"We are sorry if users of Linux or other operating systems are disappointed by our decision to issue a firmware upgrade which when installed disables this operating system feature.

We have made the decision to protect the integrity of the console and whilst mindful of the impact on Linux or other operating system users we nevertheless felt it would be in the best interests of the majority of users to pursue this course of action.

As you will be aware we have upgraded and enhanced functionality and features of the console by numerous firmware upgrades over time and this is a very rare instance where a feature will be disabled. Further enhancements are in the pipeline.

Users do have the choice whether to install the firmware upgrade and this is clearly explained to them at the time the firmware upgrade is made available for installation. Furthermore our terms and conditions clearly state that we have the right to revise the PS3's settings and features in order to prevent access to unauthorised or pirated content."

Sony Apologizes for OtherOS Removal due to PS3 Piracy Concerns

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#33 - otarumx - April 9, 2010 // 8:32 pm
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And yet I still don't care about the removal of the OtherOS, I am not interested in hombrew, Emulation can be done on my PC and I don't care about pirating BD games as I bet most people that are moaning want to do. You can call it illegal, you can say it's just for homebrew or that it is our right or that a console should be open to any kind of code but in the end most people just want to play for free and that is what brought the complaints.

#32 - StakFallT - April 9, 2010 // 8:19 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by alexcamrod View Post

Now with this relase it's kinda like sony is saying, "Oh crap they did it, they cracked the security... we have to do something drastic." And of course everybody pays the consequences. I personally say AWESOME WORK!! GeoHot and lets not forget the others, keep up the excellent work.

I agree, I think the glitch attack was the very non-delicate, yet delicate (If that makes sense) kick in the nads the ps3 needed. What I've been wondering for about a couple of weeks now though, is this: Couldn't side-channel analysis be done to extract the root key?

I mean basically in a normal system, you would attach a meter onto a resistor onto some pins (We have enough info on the cell right? Or is root key on a chip we really know nothing about?) and measure voltage drops, and map out assembly instructions to amount of pull the chip is pulling, and computer log it, turn the system completely off, pull the cable, plug the cable back in, turn it on and measure it again, cross reference the data against the chart mapping of instructions-to-voltage-drop and you've, in a roundabout way, figured out what the opcodes are on bootup.

Granted the root key is not simply assembly instructions but probably some sort of rudimentary voltages, or e-fuses so I don't know, exactly, how it would translate from opcodes to hardware encryption. I read a pretty big paper on it not that long ago, it seemed doable. I bring this up because I know the rootkey is hardware based, but I would imagine at some point the rootkey would have to be "passed" to the software APIs via a secure channel.

#31 - chronokun - April 9, 2010 // 8:10 pm
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um no sony, apologizing isn't going to fix the problem that you sold a product and intentionally made it unfit for an advertised purpose, so untill you decide to start offering 100% refunds so users can run Linux AND play games as stated on the box your apology is not only meaningless but offensive.

#30 - loader187 - April 9, 2010 // 8:08 pm
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I would have to say that as far as piracy is concerned it is just like that article a long time ago about how the movie industry claimed they lost a ton of money from people downloading the Scorpion King. Most of the people that downloaded would have never paid to see it.

It is the same way with the PS3. Companies will still make games(look at the XBOX360). If companies were that concerned about people playing pirated games, Halo and Gears of war would have been moved to the PS3 because it is not hacked yet.

Yes I know microsoft has more console out there but people are not going to buy games that they maybe will not like. People will buy Gods of War 3 and Final Fantasy and GT5 even if their PS3 is hacked

Especially with it being hard to get online to play with a hacked console.

Also the pirated scene probably makes up 2% (just a guess) of all consoles sold. I am not agreeing with it but I really don't think it affects companies making games. I think it is a whole lie just like global warming. j/k

It is just my 2 cents and I am probably completely wrong but anyways.... I will still love my PS3 with or without OtherOS (even though I haven't upgraded to 3.21) lol

#29 - alexcamrod - April 9, 2010 // 8:02 pm
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This makes me think that sony is really runing scared. When the ps3 first came out there was some other os homebrew but sony did some minor updates and called it a day.

Now with this relase it's kinda like sony is saying, "Oh crap they did it, they cracked the security... we have to do something drastic." And of course everybody pays the consequences. I personally say AWESOME WORK!! GeoHot and lets not forget the others, keep up the excellent work.

#28 - loader187 - April 9, 2010 // 8:01 pm
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I would have to say that as far as piracy is concerned it is just like that article a long time ago about how the movie industry claimed they lost a ton of money from people downloading the Scorpion King. Most of the people that downloaded would have never paid to see it.

It is the same way with the PS3. Companies will still make games(look at the XBOX360). If companies were that concerned about people playing pirated games, Halo and Gears of war would have been moved to the PS3 because it is not hacked yet. Y

es I know microsoft has more console out there but people are not going to buy games that they maybe will not like. People will buy Gods of War 3 and Final Fantasy and GT5 even if their PS3 is hacked

Especially with it being hard to get online to play with a hacked console.

Also the pirate scene probably makes up 2% (just a guess) of all consoles sold. I am not agreeing with it but I really don't think it affects companies making games. I think it is a whole lie just like global warming. j/k

It is just my 2 cents and I am probably completely wrong but anyways.... I will still love my PS3 with or without OtherOS (even though I haven't upgraded to 3.21) lol

#27 - StakFallT - April 9, 2010 // 7:38 pm
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I tried to reedit my post above to include my special message for sony, but I didn't see the button for it, so I'm putting it in this post...

@Sony
"I'm sorry as a Linux user that you are disappointed by my decision for siding for the continuance of it's existance on my system and to install cfw provided by others to keep this feature enabled for me.

I have made the decision to protect the rights I have and whilst mindful of the impact on your bottom line you care so much about, I nevertheless felt it would be in the best interest of the majority of users to, to show you, Sony, how much you royally p**s me off and to assist those majority of users in anyway I can.

As you will be aware, efforts (I'm sure) are being made to make our own cfw with the ability to bring back features you remove. Further attempts to screw us will lead to the screwing of your bottom line by liberating the PS3 console.

You, Sony, have the choice of whether to play nice or force us to play hardball, you have clearly explained and telegraphed your intentions at this time. Furthermore my terms and conditions for being for you, I think are clear and I have the right to install cfw on my PS3 in order to prevent you disabling stuff.

Oh, uh. and thank you, have a good day.

Yours truely,
One po'ed fan"

#26 - ximenes - April 9, 2010 // 7:37 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by PSPSwampy View Post

I know sony has a lot of loyal fans out there - hell i'm one of them, but this move is basically sony putting one finger up to them - can't help but think they'll be out of the console business next gen.
PSPSwampy.


And this will be the end of the sony-hacker war... Sony PS3 is far from being a best seller console and with this actions it will sell less and less. To tell you the truth my decision between Xbox and PS3 was made only cause of the Other OS support hoping to get a more versatile equipment and being able to run some Linux apps. And now this...

#25 - StakFallT - April 9, 2010 // 7:21 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by skrapps View Post
so they have the right to disable features even if we paid to use that feature / for that feature? so that means in the future with releases of mod chips for ps3, if they want, they have the right to disable the blu ray drive or hard drive with an update, making the machine virtually useless?? bs sony.

Good point! I was already behind keeping the OtherOS feature enabled, but I thought that just really says it right there.

Ya know, this is the same typical bs that sony pulls with almost all of their products. Anyone remember EQ1? You had to run the thing in eqw to get the game even in window mode. Oh then there was ShowEQ, ok granted ShowEQ gave unfair advantages, but you know what?

The hacker community compromised on it and there was basically an unspoken agreement between the the hacker community and sony (Was a long post explaining the backend story, in the ShowEQ forums during all this) that basically stated "We won't port it to windows and make it easy for users to be able to get up and running; and so only people with technical know-how (A very fractional majority compared to the userbase of those that didn't know *nix) can use it, and in return you agree that should you change the memory offsets you continue using the same encryption method, so we can update our product for the advanced users."

Guess what happened. Sony decided to get greedy, they then made it so the memory had keys or something, that could be stripped out of memory but if the memory was fiddled with in anyway it would flag the account. Well, as history has shown time and time again, the hacker community united ported it to windows and sony had a 50-ton sledgehammer shoved up their collective greedy a$$.

Granted, I do not want piracy on the console, it would however be nice to have emulators and/or game trainers (Though I know that would mess with the trophy system; which I think is garbage from the foundation up anyhow though, given fundamental problems with the system in general) for games that the developers' QA department has failed us on.

As far as I'm concerned, allowing Microsoft to get exclusive after exclusive because sony is too damn greedy to pay for stuff, pulling this crap, and just general craptastic CSR service in their MMOs, and buggering up just about everything else they practically touch, they deserve every bit that's coming their way. As far as I'm concerned, this is war.

#24 - PSPSwampy - April 9, 2010 // 7:09 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by ximenes View Post
It's like music... you can get any mp3 you want on the web but the truth is that there are still musicians selling millions of albums...

Putting on my 70's child hat - too damn right. These big companies have got to wake up to what people want!

Movies, MP3's, Games... - ANY digital content should be available cheaply and immediately. I don't care what any of the big cheese's say - digital content that's available to everyone, anywhere in the world at a very reasonable rate is the ONLY way forward.

The only way the games industry can evolve is though new, indepentant development - sticking whacking great costs on development equipment all but puts and end to home development (and therefore future games companies). I suspect the same may be true of movies, music and tv.

In this day and age you have to be able to move FAST, adjust to changing trends and SUPPORT YOUR CUSTOMERS! If you don't - you're out!

I know sony has a lot of loyal fans out there - hell i'm one of them, but this move is basically sony putting one finger up to them - can't help but think they'll be out of the console business next gen. My concern is that the likes of Ninty will benefit, even though the hardware is far inferior!
(Not going to mention the big M - they know how i feel about them! lol)

Ahh, well i can't help but feel like i've had enough of a rant on this subject - Viva la revolution (hmm, wasn't that the original name for the wii!?!! lol)

P.ssed, tired and going to bed...

PSPSwampy.