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May 24, 2012 // 1:04 pm - Today (linked above) reports that according to a rumor Sony is expected to unveil cloud gaming for PS3, PS Vita and other PlayStation branded devices at E3 2012.

Although further details are scarce at the moment, the potential cloud gaming deal is likely to be with either Gaikai or OnLive allowing streamed games on PlayStation branded hardware.

To quote: "VG247 has learned that Sony is to announce a cloud gaming deal with either Gaikai or OnLive at E3, apparently allowing streamed games on PlayStation hardware.

Details are light, but the news expected to be announced in the Sony press conference on June 4."

For those curious, this year's E3 (Electronic Entertainment Expo) will be held from June 5-7, 2012 at the Los Angeles Convention center.

Rumor: Sony to Unveil Cloud Gaming for PS3 and PS Vita at E3 2012

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#22 - elser1 - May 31, 2012 // 2:28 am
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Quote Originally Posted by tommospidey2010 View Post
Agreed it's not great.

ahh ok they still sell it there anyways LOL

#21 - PS4 News - May 31, 2012 // 2:07 am
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Following up on our previous article, today MCVUK (linked above) reports that according to their sources Sony is indeed close to acquiring a high-profile cloud gaming firm.

To quote: "In a move that will rock the next generation of console gaming, Sony is close to agreeing an acquisition of a high profile cloud gaming firm, MCV understands.

It was reported earlier this week that Sony was to reveal a partnership with a cloud gaming firm - specifically either OnLive or Gaikai - at E3 next week.

Subsequent chatter had seemingly calmed the rumours, suggesting that the proposed agreement was to do with Sony streaming TV services, and not consoles.

However, MCV understands that the deal is far more extensive than anyone could have predicted and will see Sony fully acquire one of the two firms. The deal, our source says, "is close to being signed".

The acquisition has implications for all parts of Sony's business, both in the consumer tech and console divisions.

Although work on PS4 is already well underway, Sony is very likely keen on bringing its PlayStation gaming content to non-console owners - a move finally made possible by this deal.

And there could be benefits for console users, too, with gaming content likely to be available when on the move and without the need for a direct connection to the console.

If nothing else, the deal should hit home the fact that the digital gaming revolution is not a distant dream - it's happening. Now. And the implications for games retail are both obvious and colossal."

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#20 - Neo Cyrus - May 26, 2012 // 1:45 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by elser1 View Post
you can buy diablo 3 at gameshop on disc. i have no opinion cloud gaming as i've never done it. i'd have to do it to see what its like, but i'd give it a go i guess. aus internet isn't that fast yet.. still waiting for the fibre optics to be installed but should be awesome then. might help. lol

Diablo 3 is partially a cloud based game. All the content is not installed to your computer, some is only on Blizzard's servers in order to prevent cheating/hacks which would directly be about items. Blizzard are doing everything in their power to prevent such a thing from happening since they are relying on the Real Money Auction House's success in order to make absurd profit.

That could be destroyed if the items/economy was tampered with like it was in Diablo 2. The entire game is basically built around the RMAH, even at the cost of the quality of the game. It's for this reason there are no trade channels, they don't want people to be able to trade directly and avoid their Auction House fee which (if it's the same as the in-game Gold AH fee) is a whopping 15%. That's robbery, I don't use Ebay but I can't imagine them charging 15% on every transaction.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually make more profit from this system than monthly fees like in WoW. Either way I can't imagine it lasting long if they don't revamp the entire game, the flaws and poor programming in the game are endless. There are more sacrifices of quality in order to be built around the RMAH such as the obvious lack of offline play, etc.

People are even speculating that the Auction House does not show an ID or name of any sort in order to make it easier for Blizzard to just conjure up super rare items and sell them there. I would be surprised if they didn't do this.

#19 - tommospidey2010 - May 26, 2012 // 12:03 pm
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Paying the same thing that you already paid for is not really that funny.

Agreed it's not great.

#18 - Dark Link - May 26, 2012 // 2:53 am
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Unfortunately from how things look the cloud is the future of gaming. I for one won't buy into it. Sure the cloud has its advantages but none of which I really care for, but the disadvantages turn me off.

No offline play: my PS3 is offline 90% of the time, the other 10% is used mostly for trophy syncing, some multilayer, updates, and sending/receiving messages. No interest in an always-on game system.

Internet Connection Required at all times: sorry but I have had some issues with downtimes from every ISP I had. Couple that with power grid issues, and you will twice as likely encounter downtime.

If the service goes, everything, and all your investment, goes with it. Not interested in the risk. Sorry.

But it WILL be the future of gaming whether some of us want it or not. The mainstream market embraced digital with the iTunes music, despite having less sound quality than the CD, and DRM-laden Digital Distribution on PC is at its strongest. Steam is popular, but it is also DRM no matter how you spin it. Online passes also didn't stop games from selling millions, and there is no shortage of gamers defending the rumored anti-used games technology in the PS4 and Xbox720.

The truth is, the games industry would love us to be able to play their games without actually possessing them, for consumer control and copyright protection purposes. The cloud is the only way for publishers to really achieve that goal, and you bet it is going to happen. The consumer is willing to let it happen.

#17 - saviour07 - May 26, 2012 // 12:19 am
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I think the fact that you're device is effectively a thin client and doesn't actually do any processing except for displaying streamed output and sending your input would be a good enough reason

It's not like the Assassin's Creed DRM which required you to be online to play... you're connecting to a server which is doing all the processing for you. So OnLive and GaiKai would never be able to allow you to play a game while offline and then sync your data.

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So, you pay for a subscription to OnLive and then you have to buy or rent games as well. It's the main reason I didn't keep up my subscription. There's free games and cheap packs of games as well as renting so it's not a complete money sink. It might not actually require a subscription anymore though looking at their site right now. I got a year for free and once that was up I cancelled my account. You all might be able to try out OnLive right now for yourselves.

Yeah that isn't the case anymore: it's free to sign up and you either rent/buy the games as one-off payments or pay a set monthly fee to play as many games as you want at no extra cost.

Also, YMMV with regards to latency etc. (and that is why I tend to stay away from FPS games with OnLive) but I find the lag to be negligible in games such as Batman:AA... However I do have a 60Mb internet connection

I've been thinking more and more about how this "popular cloud service" could logically be Steam instead of OnLive etc. Portal 2 already has the integration, PlayStation Plus has the cloud save feature (although I don't know anyone who actually has a P+ subscription!), the Steam store has a nice mix of casual "PlayStation-Mini" style games for the Vita and Hardcore for the PS3, and it would tie in with the PS3-Vita Transfarring or Remote Play abilities nicely.

Happy to open this for debate though!

#16 - jarvis - May 25, 2012 // 9:05 pm
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Sure you can buy the disk, but that doesn't matter. In order to actually play the game, you have to be connected to the internet at all times. Even in single player mode. I travel a lot, and used to play lots of games on the road, trains, air planes, hotels. With games like this I wouldn't even have the option of playing them, or would have to pay additional for an internet location in some places just to play the game I supposedly purchased.

It's disgusting really and I for one refuse to support companies that are going to produce games this way. As I said before, there are already more games available than I can play in my lifetime. I don't need whatever the hyped game of the month is and will vote with my wallet. There is no reason they could have allowed you to play the game while offline and then re-sync your account the next time you can get connected.

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oVERSoLDiER We expect to keep all games supported for as long as people continue to play them, but at a minimum, all current games will be supported for 3 years after their release on the OnLive Service.

That's another reason these things stink. You can only play the game you supposedly purchased if the company decides to leave their servers up, which they are under no obligation to do.

There are going to be lots of unplayable games in the future, and I think that is pretty sad. Just like when Yahoo or Wal-mart or one of those companies (can't remember, think there has been a few) decided to get out of the MP3 business and shut down their DRM servers, all customers who purchased music through them couldn't play their music anymore. It's a load of B.S.

#15 - Kenzya - May 25, 2012 // 3:56 pm
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Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfWar View Post
Can anyone who has used a game streaming service comment on latency with control input/video output?

I've had a free subscription to OnLive and I live near Chicago where they own some servers. It means I experienced less latency than some other states but there was still split second lag between when you pressed a button and when things on screen happened. It's not bad but it makes FPS's annoying to play.

I actually played some UT3 using their service and it was laughable at best. The king of twitch based shooters being played with movement lag? Gross.

On the flip side, I also played through some hours of Batman Arkham Asylum which was completely playable. The movement lag is not less noticeable it's just more bearable.

At the time, OnLive wouldn't let me play with wireless. It would refuse me access unless I plugged in through ethernet. I've heard they allow wireless now but your results will vary with that. The picture quality is good but a little muddy. But, obviously, better than if you have a bad computer.

So, you pay for a subscription to OnLive and then you have to buy or rent games as well. It's the main reason I didn't keep up my subscription. There's free games and cheap packs of games as well as renting so it's not a complete money sink. It might not actually require a subscription anymore though looking at their site right now. I got a year for free and once that was up I cancelled my account. You all might be able to try out OnLive right now for yourselves.

#14 - saviour07 - May 25, 2012 // 3:07 pm
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oVERSoLDiER that video is thread related

One of the guys suggests Steam as the Cloud Service as opposed to OnLive or GaiKai, which is interesting. But like the other guy in that video, I immediately thought of OnLive (which I am a member of).

Cloud Gaming is a good thing and a bad thing IMO...
It's good because:

  • It removes the necessity of expensive hardware.
  • It removes the platform exclusivity issue (I see it as an issue anyway) and potentially allows everyone to play the same software regardless of the system!
  • Allows the potential for better (read: Cheaper) priced software.

It's bad because:

  • Countries with a poor internet infrastructure will suffer.
  • There will always be latency.
  • The legal grey area surrounding "ownership" of the software still needs to be refined. Since all software is licensed according to platform/system/region specifics, a similar license will need to be agreed when paying for the software.

As for actually using OnLive as a service I have found it to be a great alternative to console specific gaming. I personally buy games on OnLive that I wouldn't buy for console (RTS and Adventure style games). The pricing for the UK store seems fair, 3 day and 5 day renting commonly around £4-£5 with the full ownership price around £10-30 or a £7/month all you can play subscription.

As for ownership, there is a statement on their website that they will support games for a minimum of 3 years but for longer if it is a more popular game:

We expect to keep all games supported for as long as people continue to play them, but at a minimum, all current games will be supported for 3 years after their release on the OnLive Service.


#13 - oVERSoLDiER - May 25, 2012 // 10:52 am
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I don't have sound here at my workplace, but I think this could be thread related.