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269w ago - Update: Sony's Geoff Levand has now confirmed, to quote: "SCE is committed to continue the support for previously sold models that have the 'Install Other OS' feature and that this feature will not be disabled in future firmware releases."

According to Owen Stampflee, a Linux Product Manager at Fixstars Corporation, Sony will remove OtherOS in the next PS3 Firmware update due to the recent GeoHot PS3 Hack.

Although this comes as no surprise to PlayStation 3 Slim owners, where OtherOS is already removed, it would contradict Sony's previous statement to standard PS3 owners.

To quote: "Everyone,

I've caught a rumor from a reputable source that the next firmware update for old PS3s will remove the OtherOS feature...

I'm not sure if it's true or not but it's in the best interest of the YDL community to spread the word.

Cheers,
Owen"

Rumor: Sony to Remove OtherOS in Next PS3 Firmware Update

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#37 - CompTronicsTec - 269w ago
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Personally i didnt buy my PS3 solely for OtherOS, but it was a major factor in my choice. Im no lawyer, but if they do eliminate OtherOS and do not give people the ability to backup their content, i'd imagine they'd have a huge legal battle to resolve.

I don't think its out of the question for them to remove it, i think Geo and others efforts have scared them, and they may act rashly.

I'm just going to wait things out and not update my firmware until i'm sure OtherOS won't be removed. Unfortunately i do play MW2 online, so it will be a tuff choice to keep OtherOS or play my games online.

#36 - ClasHPRO - 269w ago
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It would be very expensive for Sony to remove the OtherOS function from the older ps3 models as they have marketed the console with this feature to customer.

They have a legal obligation to keep this functionality otherwise you can claim your money back as what they have done is false marketing and they have tricked you into buying something that is not what you have gotten.

If they remove this feature I will personally claim my money back and say that the otheros feature was the only reason I bought the ps3.

#35 - xxLindenxx - 269w ago
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They really, really don't want anyone to hack it lol

#34 - IanJ - 269w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by ekrboi View Post
All i have to say is "bleh" i'll believe it when i see it.. until then ive informed my g/f and room mate that under no circumstance are they to update my ps3 if asked. i told them if you cant tell it no.. do nothing.. unplug it and leave it.

I'm pretty sure there is something in eula that states they can't "force" you to update anyways.. lets just sit back and watch sony squirm for a while.. its funny to me anyways =P

Trouble is some games have stopped working due to knowing there is a newer version of the firmware. You need to keep the console offline as I've seen drakes, singstar and band hero crash while loading due to this (and saw other folks complaining of the same with COD).

#33 - kakarotoks - 269w ago
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I do NOT believe that they would ever remove otheros from older models, for one simple reason : they can't prevent you access to your own 'computer'.

Like someone else said, what if you have a linux system in which you stored personal data, pictures, emails, etc.. ? They can't erase/block you access to that.. so forget it, it won't happen!

Only possibility is for them to prevent the 'install other os' option, but let you access linux if you already had it installed, but then again, it's too complicated, a special use case just for that, and what if you want to reinstall/upgrade your system, you get stuck, etc..

Also, the harm is done, if they would have done it before the exploit happened, maybe, but now it's there, so it's useless to prevent otheros from existing.. all the 'hackers' already have their linux installed anyways, right?

That's my opinion, and that's why I'm saying this is just a rumor, and it will never happen.

Quote Originally Posted by Surfaced View Post
They're not objectively taking away homebrew. They're trying to delay the dawn of piracy on the PS3, which is what most hackers REALLY want. I can see it here, too. It's obviously what most of you are striving for, calling Sony a money-grabbing corporation. Oh, down with the corporations! Screw capitalism! Greedy pigs!

[...cut...]

These are games, and they're $60 or less per title. I'm perpetually broke as hell, and this season I've had to make a lot of cuts and tough decisions on what games I'm going to get because there's too many coming out. It's just out of respect for the people who make the games and the industry as a whole, which I want to see succeed, above all things.

I'm solely in this for the homebrew and some hacks I really want for some of my games.

But whatever, I can't change any attitudes. I deeply respect others who have the intelligence to think about the repercussions that piracy will have.

Wow, thanks Surfaced, I totally agree with you and finally someone who has the balls to say that developers deserve their salary!

I'm not as 'broke' as you, and I don't mind buying games when they come out, 60$ or 70$ is an ok price for a few hours of entertainment, But I remember when I was still @ school, where paying for 5$ for anything (even for that one meal in the week) looked like too much!

I believe all these pirates are just some young teenagers with no jobs and no money and no value for people's work who think that it's too expensive and that the companies don't deserve the money (like you said "I need that money more than them"). Well, I'd just like to say "they deserve it more because they're the ones who worked hard to build a company and who took all the risks and invested their money with the hopes (and no insurance) of it paying out in the end", if you think it's easy money for them, then go do the same instead of bitching about it."

I also decided to rant after your rant as you inspired me... I always wanted to say this anyways :

Piracy does no affect anything either! The reason is simple, if someone pirates a game/movie, it's because he already wasn't planning on paying for it.. piracy only gives access to entertainment to people who wouldn't have had access to it without the piracy.. but the companies aren't loosing that much money out of it.. Yes, it does affect the corporations, but not as much as they'd like us to think...

Take GTA4 for example (random example), it was released at the same time on both PS3 and XBox360.. and I remember they whined about "omg, after the few hours of releasing the game, there were *millions* of downloads of the game from torrent sites, the amount of piracy is sickening, blablabla".. well in the end, the Xbox360 version sold more copies than the ps3 version, and yeah, all that piracy was for the xbox, not the ps3... conclusion?

If the xbox wasn't hacked, they probably would have had a few hundreds more out of the millions of sales, but not millions more.. simply because all those who downloaded it were never, ever, planning on buying the game anyways, because they either :

1 - didn't really care about it
2 - planned on playing a few minutes, then forget about it
3 - were going to borrow from a friend/rent it
4 - even though they wanted it, they're too poor to actually afford it.
5 - they just like to collect everything that gets out...

So it's all the same... I think the biggest loss of the companies is not in piracy, it's in all the people who rent/borrow the games.

Same goes for movies, you download a movie, yes, it's piracy, you're not paying for it, but how is it any different from watching the movie on TV? you're not paying for tv either, right? And if you want to talk about the ads, then how about all the ads you already see on the internet? and if you watch tv, you'll see all the ads anyways, you don't need to specifically watch the ads from that movie for it to affect your mind, right ?

And what if you record the movie/show and skip the ads when watching it? How about that one person who rented/bought the movie and he's watching it with 10 of his friends? those 10 people didn't pay for it either, right? how is it different from 'piracy' ?

Also, I can tell you that I have watched about 5% of the thousands of movies I downloaded... did I 'pirate' those movies that I never even watched? If I see a movie that I like, I'll go buy it, or watch it in the movie theater, sometimes even 2 or 3 times at the theater, if the movie is worth it..

I do pirate movies, but I don't believe it affects the movie industry because I download movies that I'd never pay to watch, if there was a movie that was worth it, I'd pay for it anyways!

I don't believe piracy is affecting the movie or the game industry that much, so I don't see why people are making such a huge deal out of it!

Thanks for reading, and sorry for the rant

#32 - PS4 News - 269w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by androvsky View Post
Where did Owen Stampflee post that information? It's not on the YDL boards that I've been able to see...

Edit: Never mind, managed to find a couple links back to the original post. Which has been deleted. Maybe his source wasn't as reliable as he thought?

Heh.. interesting indeed, nice catch and +Rep. It used to be here, which now only shows "The requested topic does not exist."

http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7132

Either he leaked information he wasn't supposed to, or as you suggested he realized his source was wrong... I guess we'll know in the next FW update for sure.

#31 - Spikey123 - 269w ago
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Them removing that will be sad and would but the makers of Yellowdog linux out of development for sometime. Then it would take another hacker to get success at putting backin the "Other OS" in the PS3.

#30 - ekrboi - 269w ago
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All i have to say is "bleh" i'll believe it when i see it.. until then ive informed my g/f and room mate that under no circumstance are they to update my ps3 if asked. i told them if you cant tell it no.. do nothing.. unplug it and leave it.

I'm pretty sure there is something in eula that states they can't "force" you to update anyways.. lets just sit back and watch sony squirm for a while.. its funny to me anyways =P

#29 - kablooey - 269w ago
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Thanks GeoHot, you are such an ass. Next time you do something like this try not to tell about your work to the world via CNN. Now we have this bad news.

#28 - Surfaced - 269w ago
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Quote Originally Posted by Raze1988 View Post
Man, they really wanna protect their baby... I already saw Homebrew on the horizon, now they already begin to take it away from us?

They're not objectively taking away homebrew. They're trying to delay the dawn of piracy on the PS3, which is what most hackers REALLY want. I can see it here, too. It's obviously what most of you are striving for, calling Sony a money-grabbing corporation. Oh, down with the corporations! Screw capitalism! Greedy pigs!

God I see this on every torrent site or warez forum, all these people acting like they are some sort of liberator, justifying their desire to get content but not pay a dime for it. Proud to be a pirate! I need the money more than they do! It's not piracy, because it doesn't directly affect them!

Please. Its a business, and guess who's doing the worst currently? Sony Computer Entertainment. "But Sony has other ways of getting money!" Yep, only, those other ways are barely pulling the revenue and the profits are low, if not nonexistent. I'm no corporate apologist but I support SCE's work in this industry and the PS3 might've been dead by now if piracy were here as early as it hit Xbox 360.

And then the people who think piracy was the only reason the PS2 and PS1 were so successful. Wow, seriously? I pray you're not truly so parochial.

I'm going into a rant now but with all of these people complaining about companies being so "greedy" it gets ridiculous. Like you wouldn't do (or be intensely pressured to do) the exact same things if you had their jobs. Look at the PSP, because if anything, it's the perfect sign of what might come.

I was happy to see Geohot had no intentions of creating image loading software but inevitably that will come if things go "smoothly". Some people don't get it. After all, this is entertainment. And it's the entertainment business. You have zero entitlement to any content without paying, because the developers/engineers didn't get to make it without paying either. This isn't even at the level of software like Photoshop, where you're being asked to pay upwards of $300 for a single program.

These are games, and they're $60 or less per title. I'm perpetually broke as hell, and this season I've had to make a lot of cuts and tough decisions on what games I'm going to get because there's too many coming out. It's just out of respect for the people who make the games and the industry as a whole, which I want to see succeed, above all things.

I'm solely in this for the homebrew and some hacks I really want for some of my games.

But whatever, I can't change any attitudes. I deeply respect others who have the intelligence to think about the repercussions that piracy will have.

 











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