discless is a godsend with Rebug and iris manager. mm is ok, but its being dethroned by an open source project. I mean you can't blame Dean who writes multiman. I woulda took the money and ran a long time ago myself. it's his intellectual property sorta. but really I have to stay away from the project because of my principles. I don't believe in charging people for a way to exploit their consoles that knowledge should be free.