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April 21, 2009 // 6:28 pm - Speculation has commenced that XBox 360 games have new disc protection.

Recently xorloser noted that when FIFA 09 on the XBox 360 is patched with the latest update, the game is only allowed to boot from an updated version of the original XBox 360 disc type.

To quote: I noticed the other day that when FIFA'09 for Xbox360 is patched with the latest update, the flags that specify what media the game is allowed to run from have changed. Originally it was allowed to boot from a standard original Xbox360 disc, however now it is only allowed to boot from a new media type which is basically an updated version of the original Xbox360 disc type.

Those who have ever looked into the depths of the Xbox360 disc authentication scheme know that a "new" type of disc authentication has been in the works since the Xbox360 was released. It is known as the AntiPiracy v2.5 checks, or AP2.5. Is this FIFA'09 patch a sign that AP2.5 is finally going to see the light of day? If so then the ban hammer is going to come down hard. Don't say I didn't warn you

The original Xbox360 game disc was reffered to as DVD-XGD2, which I presume stands for Xbox Game Disc version 2 (with version 1 being the discs used on Xbox1). This new Xbox360 game disc just seems to be reffered to as an "updated DVD-XGD2″ , however to avoid confusion I will call this new disc type "DVD-XGD2.5″. Also since I am a lazy typer I will remove the "DVD-" prefix for the following text.

Based on what I remember from when I looked into the disc authentication, I can see three possibilities. In order of likeliness they are:

1) Possibly the XGD2.5 disc is actually physically the same as the XGD2 disc but has support for extra unknown challenge/response checks.

XGD2 discs are authenticated by a series of challenge response pairs. The Xbox360 sends challenges to the dvd-drive and then the drive sends back responses to these challenges based on information on the disc in the dvd drive. If the Xbox360 deems the responses to be correct, the disc is authenticated.

Current Xbox360 dvd-drive hacks work since the challenge/response pairs are stored in the security sector on the disc, meaning that all possible challenge/responses are known in advance. The best way for MS to solve this problem is to use challenge/response pairs that are not known in advance to the dvd-drive. So if a hacked dvd-drive receives an unknown challenge it will not have the correct repsonse to send back, therefore the authentication will fail and the copied game will not boot.

MS could do these extra checks when you connect to Xbox Live, and could even save unknown challenge/response pairs to a file on the flash of your Xbox360 in order to do the checks offline. They could also save challenge/responses to your flash when you update your console via Live or an update on a game disc.

2) Maybe the authentication of XGD2.5 is a superset of the XGD2 authentication. Therefore the FIFA'09 game could be pressed on the new XGD2.5 discs and still pass the XGD2 authentication checks. Then when MS is ready to initiate AP2.5 checks they could patch the game to only boot if it's disc passes the XGD2.5 authentication.

3) Or else I may just be wrong and there is no new disc type or it is totally seperate to AP2.5

Speculation: New XBox 360 Disc Protection & XBL Bans to Follow?

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#2 - footylad - April 26, 2009 // 10:17 am
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Could it not just be a simple wave as per usual, and its a case of riding the storm out and working out what they are checking for from people who have been banned, im sticking to some retro games for now lol


#1 - isstasi - April 26, 2009 // 2:30 am
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And they would spend the time and money required to do this on top of the recently rolled out "Wave 3" video format because?

To perform a more sophisticated media check I imagine the 360 drive would need an fw upgrade (excepting the LGs of course as this may have been in the works for awhile).

But hey, just idle speculation, I could be wrong, just seems like the ship has sailed when it comes to physical media verification.